On Sunday 19th July, Life Ladder's Founder, Natalie Rea joined Kirsty Spence (@misskspence) from the podcast Real, Relevant and Right Now to talk about how people can defy the odds, mental wellbeing and how to work with the mind to increase happiness and success.

Check out the full interview and subscribe to Kirsty's channel by just clicking on the video below.  Or find the channel here.

And as Kirsty says...

"Let's Inspire to Rise and Rise Higher"